ΑΛΚΙΒΙΑΔΗΣ ΙΙ
Benjamin Jowett
Plato · Benjamin Jowett
Scene: on the way to an unknown temple
Socrates: Are you going, Alcibiades, to offer prayer to Zeus?
Alcibiades: Yes, Socrates, I am.
Socrates: you seem to be troubled and to cast your eyes on the ground, as though you were thinking about something.
Alcibiades: Of what do you suppose that I am thinking?
Socrates: Of the greatest of all things, as I believe. Tell me, do you not suppose that the Gods sometimes partly grant and partly reject the requests which we make in public and private, and favour some persons and not others?
Alcibiades: Certainly.
Socrates: Do you not imagine, then, that a man ought to be very careful, lest perchance without knowing it he implore great evils for himself, deeming that he is asking for good, especially if the Gods are in the mood to grant whatever he may request? There is the story of Oedipus, for instance, who prayed that his children might divide their inheritance between them by the sword: he did not, as he might have done, beg that his present evils might be averted, but called down new ones. And was not his prayer accomplished, and did not many and terrible evils thence arise, upon which I need not dilate?
Alcibiades: Yes, Socrates, but you are speaking of a madman: surely you do not think that any one in his senses would venture to make such a prayer?
Socrates: Madness, then, you consider to be the opposite of discretion?
Alcibiades: Of course.
Socrates: And some men seem to you to be discreet, and others the contrary?
Alcibiades: They do.
Socrates: Well, then, let us discuss who these are. We acknowledge that some are discreet, some foolish, and that some are mad?
Alcibiades: Yes.
Socrates: And again, there are some who are in health?
Alcibiades: There are.
Socrates: While others are ailing?
Alcibiades: Yes.
Socrates: And they are not the same?
Alcibiades: Certainly not.
Socrates: Nor are there any who are in neither state?
Alcibiades: No.
Socrates: A man must either be sick or be well?
Alcibiades: That is my opinion.
Socrates: Very good: and do you think the same about discretion and want of discretion?
Alcibiades: How do you mean?
Socrates: Do you believe that a man must be either in or out of his senses; or is there some third or intermediate condition, in which he is neither one nor the other?
Alcibiades: Decidedly not.
Socrates: He must be either sane or insane?
Alcibiades: So I suppose.
Socrates: Did you not acknowledge that madness was the opposite of discretion?
Alcibiades: Yes.
Socrates: And that there is no third or middle term between discretion and indiscretion?
Alcibiades: True.
Socrates: And there cannot be two opposites to one thing?
Alcibiades: There cannot.
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The Athenian who turned Socratic conversation into a written philosophy and founded the Academy.
Plato was born around 428 BCE into a wealthy and politically prominent Athenian family; through his mother Perictione the family traced kinship to the lawgiver Solon, and his relatives Critias and Charmides were among the oligarchs of the Thirty. A late tradition says his given name was Aristocles and that 'Plato' — from the word for 'broad' — was a nickname. He grew up during the long agony of the Peloponnesian War and came of age amid the violence and disillusion that followed Athens' defeat.
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